"There is no such thing as an 'emergency Church' that can withdraw from the visible unity of the Church in order to establish an ecclesial order not in full communion with the Successor of Peter."
Pagliarani Blocked Fellay's 2018 Deal: "Rome Has to Acknowledge Its Errors"
The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX) rejected a Doctrinal Declaration proposed by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), which would have been followed by the granting of a canonical status, Monsignor Guido Pozzo told LaNuovaBq.it on July 7.
A meeting took place on 28 February 2018 at the Congregation between Cardinal Luis Ladaria, then Prefect, Monsignor Guido Pozzo, and Bishop Bernard Fellay.
Bishop Fellay said he would submit the Declaration to the FSSPX General Chapter, scheduled for July 2018. At that Chapter, on 11 July 2018, Father Davide Pagliarani was elected Superior General.
In the autumn of 2018, Cardinal Ladaria and Monsignor Pozzo met with Father Pagliarani.
Monsignor Pozzo on Fr Pagliarani: "He informed us that he would not sign the Declaration, as he considered it insufficient and inadequate to address the difficulties and critical issues raised by the FSSPX, and that Rome would have to acknowledge its errors."
Why Ecclesia Dei Commission Was …More
Yeah, just like the FSSP, at its inception, was promised a bishop. Believe Modernist heretics or their enablers and collaborators at your own risk. You can put anything on paper. The history of the past 60 years (accelerated in the past 13) demonstrates it's much more accurate to pay less attention to what the Modernist occupiers of the Vatican say and more upon what they do.
The public re-interpretation of Vatican Council II irratinally and so schismatically by the popes from Paul VI to Leo XIV is modernism. It is schism.
"There is no such thing as an 'emergency Church' that can withdraw from the visible unity of the Church in order to establish an ecclesial order not in full communion with the Successor of Peter."
The pope, cardinals and bishops have withdrawn from the visible unity of the Church seen in the Magisterium of the Middle Ages, for example. This is official public schism. Pope Leo interprets Vatican Council II with an Irrational Premise and I interpret the Council with a Rational Premise. So our conclusions are different. He is schismatic with LG 16 visible and I am traditional with LG 16 invisible.
Archbishop Pozzo, former head of Ecclesia Dei and Chief Negotiator: In 2018, It Was the Society That Refused the Agreement
In the 2012 General Chapter Statement the SSPX affirmed Feeneyite EENS with no known exceptions. It was rejected by the Vatican.
Here it is :
For this reason it seems opportune that we reaffirm our faith in the Roman Catholic Church, the unique Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, outside of which there is no salvation nor possibility to find the means leading to salvation; our faith in its monarchical constitution, desired by Our Lord Himself, by which the supreme power of government over the universal Church belongs only to the Pope, Vicar of Christ on earth; our faith in the universal Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ, Creator of both the natural and the supernatural orders, to Whom every man and every society must submit.
Society of St. Pius X General Chapter Statement
Pagliarani Blocked Fellay's 2018 Deal: "Rome Has to Acknowledge Its Errors"
Lionel : The General Chapter of the SSPX when Bishop Fellay was the Superior General of the SSPX in his Statement affirmed Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, i.e EENS with no known exceptions. It was rejected by the Vatican. This was the end of dialogue at that time.
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The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX) rejected a Doctrinal Declaration proposed by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), which would have been followed by the granting of a canonical status, Monsignor Guido Pozzo told LaNuovaBq.it on July 7.
Lionel: The Vatican affirms Vatican Council II with a break; a schism with the Council of Florence 1442 on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), with no known exceptions. For the Vatican, theoretical possibilities are practical exceptions for EENS. This is irrational and not part of the deposit of the faith. It is political.
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A meeting took place on 28 February 2018 at the Congregation between Cardinal Luis Ladaria, then Prefect, Monsignor Guido Pozzo, and Bishop Bernard Fellay.
Bishop Fellay said he would submit the Declaration to the FSSPX General Chapter, scheduled for July 2018. At that Chapter, on 11 July 2018, Father Davide Pagliarani was elected Superior General.
Lionel: How can the SSPX give its consent of mind and will to the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms interpreted irrationally and dishonestly by Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria and then Pope Francis and now Pope Leo ? Pope Benedict kept it a secret. The Council is traditional and ecclesiocentric when LG 8, 14, 16 etc refer to invisible and hypothetical cases only i.e Ad Gentes 7 is aligned with EENS and LG 8, 14, 16. UR 3. NA 2, Gs 22 etc are not objective exceptions for EENS or AG 7. So Vatican Council II would really support the SSPX on EENS etc.
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In the autumn of 2018, Cardinal Ladaria and Monsignor Pozzo met with Father Pagliarani.
Monsignor Pozzo on Fr Pagliarani: "He informed us that he would not sign the Declaration, as he considered it insufficient and inadequate to address the difficulties and critical issues raised by the FSSPX, and that Rome would have to acknowledge its errors."
Lionel: Rome still interprets the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and schismatically. There is no comment or denial from them.
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Why Ecclesia Dei Commission Was Abolished
Following this refusal, Pope Francis, having been informed of the negative outcome, decided to suppress the Ecclesia Dei Commission, which since 2009 had been engaged in doctrinal discussions with the FSSPX.
Monsignor Pozzo said he was "very disappointed by the FSSPX's refusal - not least because many points in the Declaration had been the result of joint work during the dialogue that had taken place up to that point."
Lionel: The dialogue was based upon Vatican Council II irrational and not rational, with LG 16 visible and not invisible. Also the talks between Fr. Jean Marie Gleize and Fr. Luiz Ladaria sj was based upon this dishonest interpretation of Vatican Council II.
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What the FSSPX Had to Sign in 2018
Regarding Vatican II, the FSSPX was asked to affirm that the Church's Magisterium is the authentic guardian and interpreter of Scripture and Tradition, serving the Word of God rather than standing above it.
Lionel: The pope is Magisterial and Apostolic only when he interprets the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms rationally and not irrationally as at present.
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The Declaration also required acceptance that Vatican II must be interpreted in continuity with the Church's perennial Tradition and constant Magisterium, while allowing legitimate theological discussion and clarification on particular conciliar texts and subsequent liturgical and canonical reforms.
Lionel: Vatican Council II interpreted rationally is harmony with the dogma EENS with no exceptions, the Arthanasius Creed with no known exceptions in the present times and an ecumenism of return of the Syllabus of Pius IX with no known excptions. But this is not accepted by the Vatican.
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Finally, the FSSPX was asked to recognise the validity of the Mass and the sacraments celebrated according to the liturgical books promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.
Lionel: The theology of the New Missal is Cushingite. It has to be updated with Feeneyism. the lex orandi over the centuries was Feeneyite ( LG 16 invisible).
-Lionel Andrades
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Fellay said he would submit the Declaration to the FSSPX General Chapter, scheduled for July 2018. At that Chapter, on 11 July 2018, Father Davide Pagliarani was elected Superior General.
In the autumn of 2018, Cardinal Ladaria and Monsignor Pozzo met with Father Pagliarani.
Monsignor Pozzo on Fr Pagliarani: "He informed us that he would not sign the Declaration, as he considered it insufficient and inadequate to address the difficulties and critical issues raised by the FSSPX, and that Rome would have to acknowledge its errors."
If the FSSPX had signed that statement, it would have put the FSSP, ICKSP, et al. in a position to be forced to celebrate the Bugnini-Montini liturgy. "Even the SSPX affirms its validity" they would be told as the gun was held to their head.
Thank you Jesus for giving us Fr. Pagliarani. May he long serve as Superior General of the Society of St Pius X, and may he long continue to protect the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church,